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	<title>Comments on: Is it Great Britain, the United Kingdom, the British Isles or what exactly?</title>
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	<description>Geo-blogging, geo-talking and geo-tweeting, these are the occasional ramblings of a self professed &#34;geek with a life&#34;</description>
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		<title>By: Designing for Location: Privacy, trust, frequency, accuracy? Oh my! &#183; Ben Ward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Designing for Location: Privacy, trust, frequency, accuracy? Oh my! &#183; Ben Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the United Kingdom, Great Britain, and England refer (inaccurately) to the same country (Gary Gale can clarify this, if you like.) &#8216;United Kingdom&#8217; is most common, but some web applications use other [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the United Kingdom, Great Britain, and England refer (inaccurately) to the same country (Gary Gale can clarify this, if you like.) &#8216;United Kingdom&#8217; is most common, but some web applications use other [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Oona: Colloquial and historical place names and geographies are great. Just because an organisation doesn&#039;t formally recognise a place name doesn&#039;t mean it doesn&#039;t exist out there in the world. I feel another blog post coming on ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Oona: Colloquial and historical place names and geographies are great. Just because an organisation doesn&#8217;t formally recognise a place name doesn&#8217;t mean it doesn&#8217;t exist out there in the world. I feel another blog post coming on &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ant: I&#039;ve never come across &quot;The Island&quot; ... have you got any references to this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ant: I&#8217;ve never come across &#8220;The Island&#8221; &#8230; have you got any references to this?</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@graybo: All of what you say is indeed true, however to be fair the diagram doesn&#039;t attempt to be totally geographically inclusive, it attempts to help answer the question of the relationships between the different geographical entities which make up this region.

Yes, the isles of Wight, Lundy, Anglesey and so on are not shown but then again, no one&#039;s ever asked me &quot;what country is the Isle of Wight part of?&quot; but lots of people have asked &quot;is England a country or not?&quot; ... which was what set me off to write the post in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@graybo: All of what you say is indeed true, however to be fair the diagram doesn&#8217;t attempt to be totally geographically inclusive, it attempts to help answer the question of the relationships between the different geographical entities which make up this region.</p>
<p>Yes, the isles of Wight, Lundy, Anglesey and so on are not shown but then again, no one&#8217;s ever asked me &#8220;what country is the Isle of Wight part of?&#8221; but lots of people have asked &#8220;is England a country or not?&#8221; &#8230; which was what set me off to write the post in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: graybo</title>
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		<dc:creator>graybo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You talk about England, Scotland and Wales being parts of the island of Great Britain. But each of those countries also includes offshore islands (admittedly, some are not very offshore), such as the Isle of Wight, the Scilly Isles, Lundy, Anglesey, the Hebrides, etc. So, your excellent diagram is rather incomplete.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You talk about England, Scotland and Wales being parts of the island of Great Britain. But each of those countries also includes offshore islands (admittedly, some are not very offshore), such as the Isle of Wight, the Scilly Isles, Lundy, Anglesey, the Hebrides, etc. So, your excellent diagram is rather incomplete.</p>
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		<title>By: Ant Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ant Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note also that in some parts of &#039;The Continent&#039; (now that&#039;s another discussion) they refer to us as &#039;The Island&#039;, though I wouldn&#039;t even attempt to define what the extent of that description.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note also that in some parts of &#8216;The Continent&#8217; (now that&#8217;s another discussion) they refer to us as &#8216;The Island&#8217;, though I wouldn&#8217;t even attempt to define what the extent of that description.</p>
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		<title>By: Oona Tully</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oona Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very worthy and interesting topic, Gary. 

I can only comment confidently on two aspects; 

(a) &#039;The British Isles&#039; as an archaic term and (b) George Best.

(a); the British Isles ceased to be so after Ireland&#039;s Independence in 1922. 

http://www.irelandinformationguide.com/British_Isles
 
Geographically however, it was still referred to as that for many decades afterwards. Because it was &#039;handy&#039; to do so. Physically, like Iberia, scientists would refer to the two islands as one. But it did piss off Irish Nationalists. And was/is very politically incorrect [before that term became a cliche].

The Ordnance Survey Ireland do not recognise The British Isles in it&#039;s mapping, nor does the National Geographic Association;

http://irishnationalcaucus.blogspot.com/2008/01/british-isles-references-leave-irish.html

Nowadays, the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland are geographically known as &quot;The Island of Ireland&quot; with the two administrations referred to and accepted politically and colloquially as North and South. Devolved power from Westminister has sanctioned this. This is only in the last decade though.

Hence the Island of Ireland is a geographically recognised entitity and  not part of the British Isles that includes England, Scotland, Wales, Jersey etc. but it contains the sovereignty of the six Northern counties which are part of the United Kingdom.

I had my first geography lesson in Britain, my last in Ireland - so I know what&#039;s what.

So the Venn Diagram [blue] should be Great Britain and Ireland.

(b) George Best; I cannot understand how a womanising short-serving alcoholic footballer got so much cred / adoration / and an airport named after him!?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very worthy and interesting topic, Gary. </p>
<p>I can only comment confidently on two aspects; </p>
<p>(a) &#8216;The British Isles&#8217; as an archaic term and (b) George Best.</p>
<p>(a); the British Isles ceased to be so after Ireland&#8217;s Independence in 1922. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.irelandinformationguide.com/British_Isles" rel="nofollow">http://www.irelandinformationguide.com/British_Isles</a></p>
<p>Geographically however, it was still referred to as that for many decades afterwards. Because it was &#8216;handy&#8217; to do so. Physically, like Iberia, scientists would refer to the two islands as one. But it did piss off Irish Nationalists. And was/is very politically incorrect [before that term became a cliche].</p>
<p>The Ordnance Survey Ireland do not recognise The British Isles in it&#8217;s mapping, nor does the National Geographic Association;</p>
<p><a href="http://irishnationalcaucus.blogspot.com/2008/01/british-isles-references-leave-irish.html" rel="nofollow">http://irishnationalcaucus.blogspot.com/2008/01/british-isles-references-leave-irish.html</a></p>
<p>Nowadays, the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland are geographically known as &#8220;The Island of Ireland&#8221; with the two administrations referred to and accepted politically and colloquially as North and South. Devolved power from Westminister has sanctioned this. This is only in the last decade though.</p>
<p>Hence the Island of Ireland is a geographically recognised entitity and  not part of the British Isles that includes England, Scotland, Wales, Jersey etc. but it contains the sovereignty of the six Northern counties which are part of the United Kingdom.</p>
<p>I had my first geography lesson in Britain, my last in Ireland &#8211; so I know what&#8217;s what.</p>
<p>So the Venn Diagram [blue] should be Great Britain and Ireland.</p>
<p>(b) George Best; I cannot understand how a womanising short-serving alcoholic footballer got so much cred / adoration / and an airport named after him!?!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Heseltine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Heseltine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Wales and can confirm that it is indeed a country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Wales and can confirm that it is indeed a country.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Glen: Caveat: No flame war intended here. There is a historical Principality of Wales (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Wales) but to quote that article &quot;The term principality is sometimes used in a modern sense to denote all of Wales, but this has no constitutional basis&quot;. So from an administrative point of view Wales is a country so viewing it as a principality formally is incorrect but view it as one informally, colloquially and historically is correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Glen: Caveat: No flame war intended here. There is a historical Principality of Wales (see <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Wales" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Wales</a>) but to quote that article &#8220;The term principality is sometimes used in a modern sense to denote all of Wales, but this has no constitutional basis&#8221;. So from an administrative point of view Wales is a country so viewing it as a principality formally is incorrect but view it as one informally, colloquially and historically is correct.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen Campbell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glen Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wales is not a country; it is a principality. Not to be picky or anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wales is not a country; it is a principality. Not to be picky or anything.</p>
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