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	<title>Gary&#039;s Bloggage &#187; fire eagle</title>
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		<title>Latitude Media Coverage Needs More Latitude</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 15:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A product launch from Google is accompanied by a massive media campaign that reaches far beyond the techy demographic; Google is a consumer brand these days and their messaging generates headlines in both traditional and new media. This is a &#8230; <a href="http://www.vicchi.org/2009/02/08/latitude-media-coverage-needs-more-latitude/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A product launch from Google is accompanied by a massive media campaign that reaches far beyond the techy demographic; Google is a consumer brand these days and their messaging generates headlines in both traditional and new media. This is a good thing; <em>right</em>?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s certainly high profile messaging, <a>Ted Dziuba</a> writing in the <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/">UK based Register</a> with less than his usual profanity laden prose, first brought the term <a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Googasm">Googasm</a> to my attention and the recent launch of <a href="http://www.google.com/latitude/intro.html">Google Latitude</a> certainly has all the hallmarks of Googasm, but this has rapidly turned into an inverse Googasm of shrill, <a href="http://www.informationweek.com/news/internet/google/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=213201991&amp;subSection=Web+Development">rhetoric laden</a>, <em>fin de siecle</em> doom with the <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/02/google_puts_spy_in_your_pocket.html">BBC</a> commencing and  <a href="http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?Google_puts_spy_in_your_pocket&amp;in_article_id=519982&amp;in_page_id=34">London&#8217;s Metro newspaper</a> going way overboard.</p>
<ul>
<li>Spy in your pocket?</li>
<li>Google spying on workers?</li>
<li>People covertly tracking you after leaving your phone in a bar?</li>
<li>Suspicous partners tracking their loved ones?</li>
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<p><em>Please</em>. This is certainly media coverage, but is it good coverage? Compare and contrast with Yahoo&#8217;s launch of the <a href="http://fireeagle.yahoo.net/">Fire Eagle</a> location brokerage service last year. Whilst there were <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7559731.stm">privacy concerns raised at the time</a>, the Fire Eagle team&#8217;s common sense and honest approach to user privacy has quietened all but the shrillest of critics.</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s have some sanity on the discussion of Latitude and of location privacy in general. Latitude is certainly the beginning of a major play in the location space for Google but &#8230;</p>
<ul>
<li>Latitude requires users to download and install a stand alone app onto their mobile handset.</li>
<li>Latitude&#8217;s social permissioning is on a per-user basis with no categorisation, fine tuning or broad controls such as that found in Fire Eagle.</li>
<li>Latitude does not take your location to other applications such as BrightKite, Twitter or Fire Eagle. Yet. Given Google&#8217;s closed approach in other fields this may be an unlikely development but one which users are already asking for.</li>
<li>Latitude generously fuels the paranoia of <em>Google owns all your data</em> &#8230; now including where you are. The question is not so much should you share your location but <em>should you share your location with Google?</em></li>
<li>Latitude does not have an API or web service. Yet.</li>
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<p>Now both Google and Yahoo! have problems with their launch announcements, a point which <a href="http://scobleizer.com/2009/02/04/why-yahoos-announcement-today-wont-get-as-much-hype-as-googles/">Robert Scoble made when Latitude and Search Pad coincidentally launched on the same day</a>. But I have difficulties with Scoble&#8217;s conclusions on this. Scoble argues that Yahoo&#8217;s problem is that stuff is launched in selective or private beta while Google launches a complete product. But the approach taken between Yahoo! and Google differs substantially. Yahoo!, especially with their <a href="http://developer.yahoo.com/yos/">Open strategy</a>, releases stuff targeted at the developer community with APIs and web services leading the way. Contrast this with Google&#8217;s approach who launch consumer facing applications first and serve the developer community later, if at all.</p>
<p>Google&#8217;s entry into the location was never a case of <em>if</em> and much more a case of <em>when</em> and it&#8217;s certainly not the end of the location space as we know it. Fire Eagle&#8217;s remit and scope is significantly different from Latitude&#8217;s, though it&#8217;s true there is some overlap. But there will be some casualties, of which <a href="http://loopt.com">Loopt</a> will probably be the first alas.</p>
<p>Google&#8217;s consumer brand ensure launches garner a blaze of publicity but as Latitude has shown, the mantra &#8220;all publicity is good publicity&#8221; is not always true. Everyone I&#8217;ve spoken to has certainly heard of Latitude but it&#8217;s &#8220;that thing from Google that tracks me&#8221;.</p>
<p><em>Disclosure; I currently work for Yahoo! as part of the Geo Technologies group whose products includes Fire Eagle and I update my location via Fire Eagle many times a day; the views expressed in this post are purely my own and not that of Yahoo! or the Yahoo! Geo Technologies group</em>. So now you know.</p>
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		<title>Nestoria Interview</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hot on the heels of last week’s Fire Eagle presentation I was  granted the privilege of an interview by Nestoria’s Ed Freyfogle; the interview is now up on Nestoria’s blog.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-17" title="iPhone Pondering thumbnail" src="http://www.vicchi.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/3064890131_5d7c35ac1f_thumbnail.png" alt="iPhone Pondering thumbnail" />Hot on the heels of last week’s <a title="../11/28_Entry_1.html" href="http://www.vicchi.org/2008/11/first-geomob-meetup/">Fire Eagle presentation</a> I was  granted the privilege of an interview by Nestoria’s Ed Freyfogle; the interview is now up on <a title="http://blog.nestoria.co.uk/2008/12/03/nestoria-interview-gary-gale-yahoo-geo-technologies-group/" href="http://blog.nestoria.co.uk/2008/12/03/nestoria-interview-gary-gale-yahoo-geo-technologies-group/">Nestoria’s blog</a>.</p>
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		<title>First #geomob Meetup</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 09:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last night I presented a deck on Fire Eagle at the first London Geo/Mobile Developers Meetup, held at Google’s UK headquarters in Victoria; the full write up is here.]]></description>
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